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what's up everybody happy tuesday

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um

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we're going to do a special historic

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dive this is going to be a special kind

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of episode

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where i do

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um

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kind of just focus on one case

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like we will today

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um and

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just kind of get into the brass tacks of

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it all

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um

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this one is

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is a pretty good case

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um but first i'll say what's up to

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everybody

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um

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mr robert cowford shelly what's up

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um witness citizen what's up

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anybody else

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what's up joe's what's up

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um really appreciate you guys coming

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checking this out

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and for not getting sick of my ass

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definitely appreciate that

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um so we're going to

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sorry about the microphone sounds there

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um i've been

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hustling

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trying to

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her subject is a one

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here he is

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so in july 7

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1947 he snapped these pictures as you

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can see um you'll see

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they're really three different pictures

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i made a collage of them so william

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rhodes is there on the right

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um and that is taken from the

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newspaper the arizona republic

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they're definitely pretty interesting

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um the this object actually wound up

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leaving or disappearing

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towards the west towards new mexico so

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some people say that

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it's possible

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that this very object is the one that

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crashed in roswell is that the case i

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have no idea

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what i'm going to do is actually start

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with reading

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that was

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in the newspaper

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because that'll be important so um the

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headline is speedy zazzer

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speedy saucer zips by

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um and what i can do actually is

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bring that up for you in case you want

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it's pretty small but you know i'm

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reading it so

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speedy saucer zips through local sky the

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first clearly recorded photographs of

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what is believed to be a mysterious

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flank disc which has 33 states in

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america and even a few foreign countries

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on edge with his peculiar activities was

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taken by an amateur phoenix photographer

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reproduced in the phoenix

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in the arizona republic today the

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photograph

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were made by william a rhodes they gave

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his home address so if you want to i

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who was on his way to his workshop in

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the rear of his home when he heard the

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distinctive whoosh of what he believed

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to be a p-80 shooting starship propelled

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plane wrote snatched a camera from his

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workshop bench and by the time he

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he reached a small amount in the rear of

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his home the object had circled once and

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at an altitude of approximately a

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thousand feet he said in the overcast

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sky the object continued to speedy

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flight from north to south and directly

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east of his position rhodes snapped the

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uh hurtling missile by sighting along

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this isn't cropped very well

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uh quickly rolling up his last piece of

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film rhodes awaited the return of the

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craft which continued on a clockwise

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movement over his home and as it

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disappearance as phenomenal

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since it apparently winged over and shot

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observed many of them over here and also

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the fact that it made no other sound

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said makes me believe it was some other

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zoomed into the southwest he said man

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uh in aircraft recognition studied both

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uh the prints and the negatives from

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which they were made and declined to

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uh guesses on what the flying object

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uh instructor i believe it was uh world

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be that something certainly had been

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flying over phoenix previous pictures

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oh we gotta continue on a different page

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do i have that one

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what do you think

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but you know you can't even see it

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so i'm just going to resize this here

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and zoom it in

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so continued from page one uh military

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experts were unable to determine whether

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the objects were scratches on the

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negatives or blemishes

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it wasn't that trust me uh rhodes first

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shot was made as the object approached

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and showed up to be somewhat cigar

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shaped interesting that they used that

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but with motion lines on the film which

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indicated it was turning at high speed

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his home and is widely known as amateur

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airplanes and cars and is an

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accomplished musician he recently

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it's clear they're trying to discredit

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lie about some things in there

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i don't think it was actually a blue

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with a technical intelligence division

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where he said that he didn't even

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recognize what was in the paper like the

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descriptions of everything

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you know bigger than how he described it

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very embellished it doesn't to me

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especially when you read his

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testimony to actually

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actual military officers which are

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um let me know if you guys

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you guys like to read these as i go it's

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make it the right size for you if that's

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you know what i mean

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so this is just kind of like a basic

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actually right here they put probably

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he was they were immediately pretty much

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and a few years went by and he this um

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uh rhodes william rose was trying to

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get back the photographs

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and so there was a whole kind of

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investigation to get those back and

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some issues getting those back as well

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just wanted to explain what we're

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and you can see here declassifying

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photographs of unidentified flying

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action branch tc

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so this captain fournette keep this in

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mind captain fournette here

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uh because

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i have a little interesting thing to

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show you about mr captain fournette um

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later on

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in this episode

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so here we have a memorandum for

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director of intelligence dcs slash o

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declassifying photographs

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we find here

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that the

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photographs taken

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by mr rose in july 1947

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were eventually found

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in a confidential file of unidentified

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missiles

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and this arno lumen colonel of the

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united states air force deputy director

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of public information

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wrote this and this was in june 5th 1952

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so they took these and put them in a

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confidential file of unidentified

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missiles

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they were not with attic by the way or

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blue book at wright patterson or not

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even blue book yeah at this time blue

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or maybe this is sign but it was going

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to be blue book yeah either way it

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doesn't really matter because it's attic

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these undeveloped leads so what this is

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they took william rhodes and they put

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him through the ringer as far as

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investigations and interrogations they

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looked into absolutely everything to

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obviously try to find dirt on him

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this panoramic research laboratory right

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up here that you can see at the top is

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where mr william rhodes said he worked

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so they checked out all these different

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places to try to find records for the

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place and they couldn't really find them

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um later in this testimony rhodes says

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that he

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um made up the name of the company to

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basically look cool

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you know but uh what

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you know in reading some of the

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testimony and what they say he said

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i don't know

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if i i can really

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believe that as much

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fugate so

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it's actually a popular term now isn't

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it for something but i can't remember

307
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so fugate

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i'm highlighting like these names

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because they're all the different people

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that basically are involved in this and

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had their hands on this and you know i'm

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surprised as anyone to know that

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on the actual investigating that project

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blue book did was very very little

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fugate further related that about four

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months ago approximately february a

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friend had shown him an article in the

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question and answer section of a

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magazine fugate advised that the

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magazine is titled amazing stories

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which by the way

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i did some research on that magazine

323
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it's super cool and they were talking

324
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about space travel and stuff like that

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like the 30s pretty cool thing

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unfortunately i couldn't find this

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article though

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um

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when we see this blacked out mr blacked

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out that is william rhodes

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so based on a letter by mr william

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rhodes of phoenix arizona our article

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stated mr rhodes had been interviewed by

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two federal agents

335
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uh that he had turned over the two

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pictures of flying discs to these agents

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and that the pictures had never been

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returned

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um

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mr rhodes desired information as to how

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he could sue the federal government for

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these pictures mr fugate feels that this

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individual is the subject of this

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so

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i'll check in with you

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see if you got any questions or anything

347
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like that just let me know

348
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you can put them in there otherwise i'm

349
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just looking at the document here

350
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reading

351
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and not so much looking at the chat so

352
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we have details the investigation is

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predicated upon a routing and record

354
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sheet subject investigation of flank

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disks dated may 2nd 1949 signed by wr

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klingerman colonel

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chief technical intelligence division

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intelligence department wright-patterson

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now

360
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it's important here that when you see

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this

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it's not attic atic right which is what

363
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blue book and signing grudge

364
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were a part of

365
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right so this

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is

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an investigation conducted by ufos

368
00:17:11,189 --> 00:17:09,270
all right so technical intelligence

369
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defendant intelligence department right

370
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pat colonel klingemann indicates that he

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is in receipt of a memorandum by george

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frigate junior special agent cic

373
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air defense command

374
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fourth air force

375
00:17:27,829 --> 00:17:25,439
again

376
00:17:30,230 --> 00:17:27,839
not attic

377
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here and after we refer to

378
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a subject was interviewed as an observer

379
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flying this subject contended he took

380
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pictures of the disc and two positive

381
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prints if these photos were turned over

382
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to the cic agent

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photographic experts cannot agree as to

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whether the photographs mentioned in

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special agent fugate's report could have

386
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been taken under the conditions

387
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described the experts do agree that the

388
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technique

389
00:17:55,270 --> 00:17:52,559
uh was extremely crude that's funny

390
00:17:57,830 --> 00:17:55,280
uh later we'll actually look at a

391
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synopsis and breakdown

392
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by

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a actual uh photographic specialist here

394
00:18:16,870 --> 00:18:12,470
um

395
00:18:19,029 --> 00:18:16,880
more about the guy and how he refers to

396
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himself as chief of staff and president

397
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of the panoramic research whatever

398
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laboratory he also uses the

399
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so this is in 1949 so this is

400
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afterwards

401
00:18:45,430 --> 00:18:41,029
they're

402
00:18:49,510 --> 00:18:45,440
looking at this isn't it and that

403
00:18:51,669 --> 00:18:49,520
they're still digging in on this person

404
00:18:56,070 --> 00:18:51,679
two years later why

405
00:19:01,669 --> 00:18:59,110
previously mentioned in his report

406
00:19:03,110 --> 00:19:01,679
that he so here george fugate is a

407
00:19:05,110 --> 00:19:03,120
little more on him so counter

408
00:19:09,110 --> 00:19:05,120
intelligence corp cic air defense

409
00:19:13,590 --> 00:19:12,630
investigating at ufos

410
00:19:18,070 --> 00:19:13,600
mr

411
00:19:18,080 --> 00:19:23,190
uh the memorandum previously mentioned

412
00:19:27,669 --> 00:19:25,350
he instructed to interview subject in

413
00:19:30,070 --> 00:19:27,679
the company special agent brower of the

414
00:19:32,390 --> 00:19:30,080
fbi office so now we have the fbi

415
00:19:35,350 --> 00:19:32,400
investigating along with the branch

416
00:19:39,750 --> 00:19:35,360
outside of the official ufo program

417
00:19:41,270 --> 00:19:39,760
of the air force investigating this

418
00:19:43,350 --> 00:19:41,280
states that the thing he remembers most

419
00:19:46,230 --> 00:19:43,360
is the fact that he saw a large quantity

420
00:19:51,430 --> 00:19:46,240
of expensive looking at radio equipment

421
00:19:58,070 --> 00:19:53,590
that's because the subject was um

422
00:20:03,669 --> 00:20:00,710
a a genius

423
00:20:05,270 --> 00:20:03,679
in uh radio operations so

424
00:20:09,430 --> 00:20:05,280
now we're moving on

425
00:20:15,669 --> 00:20:11,510
again investigation requested by chief

426
00:20:21,029 --> 00:20:19,029
on the status of subjects business

427
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and a standing of subject in the

428
00:20:29,750 --> 00:20:27,270
at this point all he wants is his photos

429
00:20:33,350 --> 00:20:31,830
and it's two years later

430
00:20:39,110 --> 00:20:33,360
and they're going to interrogate the

431
00:20:39,120 --> 00:20:43,750
it's messed up

432
00:20:45,590 --> 00:20:44,630
so

433
00:20:47,029 --> 00:20:45,600
um

434
00:20:49,029 --> 00:20:47,039
i'm just scrolling through here a little

435
00:20:52,470 --> 00:20:49,039
bit another person special agent thomas

436
00:20:54,230 --> 00:20:52,480
doyle the fifth osi district

437
00:20:56,230 --> 00:20:54,240
it's interesting here too you also see

438
00:20:57,510 --> 00:20:56,240
that the investigation is continuing in

439
00:21:00,230 --> 00:20:57,520
other osi

440
00:21:02,149 --> 00:21:00,240
district offices

441
00:21:04,549 --> 00:21:02,159
so i may have a part 2 on this

442
00:21:09,669 --> 00:21:04,559
eventually after i look through my osi

443
00:21:14,830 --> 00:21:11,590
so this is just a little bit about the

444
00:21:19,029 --> 00:21:16,950
photography know distortion due to

445
00:21:21,669 --> 00:21:19,039
shutter speed of object shutter speed

446
00:21:26,870 --> 00:21:21,679
and nothing really too important here

447
00:21:30,870 --> 00:21:28,630
um and then we have another special

448
00:21:33,990 --> 00:21:30,880
agent lynn aldrete out of district

449
00:21:36,870 --> 00:21:34,000
office at number 17 which is new mexico

450
00:21:39,510 --> 00:21:36,880
kirkland air force base now water

451
00:21:41,750 --> 00:21:39,520
see the question that i could ask is why

452
00:21:44,390 --> 00:21:41,760
are they involved this is phoenix

453
00:21:46,950 --> 00:21:44,400
arizona

454
00:21:51,669 --> 00:21:46,960
and their kirtland air force base

455
00:21:55,590 --> 00:21:54,149
is involved in this

456
00:21:59,750 --> 00:21:55,600
could it be

457
00:22:03,029 --> 00:21:59,760
because roswell was around the same time

458
00:22:08,630 --> 00:22:03,039
which is actually in new mexico

459
00:22:08,640 --> 00:22:13,830
pretty interesting so

460
00:22:18,149 --> 00:22:16,710
this is just a letter to secure to

461
00:22:20,870 --> 00:22:18,159
attempt to secure copies of the

462
00:22:25,350 --> 00:22:20,880
photographs mentioned

463
00:22:32,310 --> 00:22:27,430
unknown missiles yes and that's where

464
00:22:35,990 --> 00:22:35,110
in the unknown missiles

465
00:22:38,070 --> 00:22:36,000
uh

466
00:22:40,070 --> 00:22:38,080
like folder department i mean we read

467
00:22:42,470 --> 00:22:40,080
that interesting huh how is there an

468
00:22:47,590 --> 00:22:42,480
unknown missile

469
00:22:47,600 --> 00:22:51,350
interesting

470
00:22:55,909 --> 00:22:53,830
photographs of the ufos detention

471
00:22:57,990 --> 00:22:55,919
director of intelligence western air

472
00:23:04,950 --> 00:22:58,000
defense force

473
00:23:07,590 --> 00:23:06,630
in compliance with the letter office of

474
00:23:09,909 --> 00:23:07,600
public

475
00:23:11,750 --> 00:23:09,919
information department of defense

476
00:23:14,149 --> 00:23:11,760
interesting huh

477
00:23:16,630 --> 00:23:14,159
dod

478
00:23:19,110 --> 00:23:16,640
department of defense

479
00:23:22,710 --> 00:23:19,120
dated first august 1952 at the

480
00:23:29,190 --> 00:23:22,720
historical officer this headquarters

481
00:23:34,070 --> 00:23:31,510
so the historical officer at the

482
00:23:36,310 --> 00:23:34,080
department of defense forwarded

483
00:23:40,149 --> 00:23:36,320
negatives

484
00:23:43,190 --> 00:23:40,159
of the flank saucers to above office

485
00:23:49,990 --> 00:23:45,830
western air defense force director of

486
00:23:50,000 --> 00:23:55,830
20th air division hamilton

487
00:23:55,840 --> 00:24:00,149
pretty interesting

488
00:24:06,070 --> 00:24:02,149
and we just have a little bit more of

489
00:24:09,590 --> 00:24:07,510
two thousand feet above the terrain

490
00:24:11,830 --> 00:24:09,600
second photograph inclusion number two

491
00:24:14,070 --> 00:24:11,840
is reported when the object started its

492
00:24:21,110 --> 00:24:14,080
climb upward

493
00:24:26,230 --> 00:24:23,830
documents and dissemination branch

494
00:24:28,710 --> 00:24:26,240
director of intelligence we have all

495
00:24:30,630 --> 00:24:28,720
sorts of people

496
00:24:32,390 --> 00:24:30,640
with their hands on this here we can see

497
00:24:34,630 --> 00:24:32,400
at the bottom

498
00:24:36,230 --> 00:24:34,640
we have william m turner lieutenant

499
00:24:38,310 --> 00:24:36,240
colonel united states air force

500
00:24:41,830 --> 00:24:38,320
executive special investigation the

501
00:24:41,840 --> 00:24:46,870
is even involved

502
00:24:52,950 --> 00:24:49,190
here which is interesting it says photo

503
00:24:59,269 --> 00:24:52,960
regarding aircraft august 17th

504
00:25:04,230 --> 00:25:01,430
so

505
00:25:06,630 --> 00:25:04,240
these are just different uh exhibits and

506
00:25:08,789 --> 00:25:06,640
closures part of the investigation when

507
00:25:10,870 --> 00:25:08,799
they kind of went all out

508
00:25:11,909 --> 00:25:10,880
seemingly to

509
00:25:13,430 --> 00:25:11,919
um

510
00:25:17,350 --> 00:25:13,440
you know character assassinate this

511
00:25:22,470 --> 00:25:20,390
um this is a little bit of his um

512
00:25:26,149 --> 00:25:22,480
testimony

513
00:25:28,789 --> 00:25:26,159
it kind of runs backwards unfortunately

514
00:25:29,990 --> 00:25:28,799
more or less it's the same as

515
00:25:31,590 --> 00:25:30,000
um

516
00:25:33,590 --> 00:25:31,600
you know what we heard in the newspaper

517
00:25:35,750 --> 00:25:33,600
it's some interesting things

518
00:25:38,070 --> 00:25:35,760
um he fully expected that object would

519
00:25:40,149 --> 00:25:38,080
be a light on a dark background he

520
00:25:41,750 --> 00:25:40,159
describes a light shot

521
00:25:42,789 --> 00:25:41,760
which appears in the center of the

522
00:25:45,190 --> 00:25:42,799
object

523
00:25:47,510 --> 00:25:45,200
as being a greenhouse

524
00:25:49,909 --> 00:25:47,520
insisted that the ship made no noise

525
00:25:52,149 --> 00:25:49,919
that was audible to his ear and he was

526
00:25:53,350 --> 00:25:52,159
unable to detect the presence of any

527
00:25:55,430 --> 00:25:53,360
propeller

528
00:25:58,070 --> 00:25:55,440
he also stated that after the newspaper

529
00:26:00,149 --> 00:25:58,080
release over the radio station

530
00:26:03,110 --> 00:26:00,159
wherein statements were made

531
00:26:04,710 --> 00:26:03,120
that he rhodes had stated army officials

532
00:26:07,830 --> 00:26:04,720
were studying the photographs and that

533
00:26:09,430 --> 00:26:07,840
it was a top that it was top secret he

534
00:26:10,950 --> 00:26:09,440
attempted to determine the source of

535
00:26:13,669 --> 00:26:10,960
this release in the radio station

536
00:26:15,830 --> 00:26:13,679
finally told him that it was a united

537
00:26:21,110 --> 00:26:15,840
press release

538
00:26:21,120 --> 00:26:25,350
so

539
00:26:29,750 --> 00:26:27,510
they're in touch with the newspaper that

540
00:26:34,710 --> 00:26:29,760
wrote about this

541
00:26:39,830 --> 00:26:37,430
which is also where mr rhodes gave his

542
00:26:42,230 --> 00:26:39,840
testimony to

543
00:26:44,950 --> 00:26:42,240
if you're wondering he's 155 pounds he

544
00:26:47,909 --> 00:26:44,960
has some blue eyes brown hair he went to

545
00:26:52,310 --> 00:26:47,919
phoenix union high school he was married

546
00:26:58,390 --> 00:26:52,320
twice and had one son

547
00:26:58,400 --> 00:27:03,990
it's 1916.

548
00:27:08,149 --> 00:27:06,070
so this is interesting here because

549
00:27:08,650 --> 00:27:08,159
we've kind of seen something like this

550
00:27:10,470 --> 00:27:08,660
um

551
00:27:13,590 --> 00:27:10,480
[Music]

552
00:27:16,950 --> 00:27:13,600
in the socorro new mexico case where

553
00:27:20,470 --> 00:27:16,960
there was air force guy and fbi agent

554
00:27:22,870 --> 00:27:20,480
um miss fbi agent burns i think it was

555
00:27:24,549 --> 00:27:22,880
or something

556
00:27:26,070 --> 00:27:24,559
and

557
00:27:30,230 --> 00:27:26,080
they didn't want to acknowledge that the

558
00:27:34,630 --> 00:27:32,789
they didn't want anyone to know that

559
00:27:36,389 --> 00:27:34,640
here we have it should be stated that at

560
00:27:38,230 --> 00:27:36,399
the time of the interview with mr bauer

561
00:27:40,630 --> 00:27:38,240
identified himself as an agent of the

562
00:27:42,389 --> 00:27:40,640
federal bureau of investigation and

563
00:27:44,549 --> 00:27:42,399
showed his credentials however pursuant

564
00:27:46,230 --> 00:27:44,559
to a request from mr puget

565
00:27:48,070 --> 00:27:46,240
he was introduced only as a

566
00:27:50,870 --> 00:27:48,080
representative of the united states

567
00:27:56,710 --> 00:27:52,950
his exact official connection was not

568
00:27:58,549 --> 00:27:56,720
made known to mr rhodes

569
00:28:01,590 --> 00:27:58,559
egypt power advised that he felt it was

570
00:28:07,830 --> 00:28:01,600
a peculiar procedure

571
00:28:13,909 --> 00:28:09,430
i also think

572
00:28:13,919 --> 00:28:17,430
don't you

573
00:28:19,750 --> 00:28:18,310
so

574
00:28:22,710 --> 00:28:19,760
interesting here

575
00:28:23,830 --> 00:28:22,720
is we have a little um

576
00:28:27,590 --> 00:28:23,840
you know what happened with the

577
00:28:32,470 --> 00:28:30,789
mr rose requested um to furnish him with

578
00:28:34,389 --> 00:28:32,480
the negatives and he stated he would be

579
00:28:35,590 --> 00:28:34,399
glad to do so but they were not in his

580
00:28:37,430 --> 00:28:35,600
immediate possession and he would

581
00:28:40,149 --> 00:28:37,440
deliver them to the fbi the following

582
00:28:42,230 --> 00:28:40,159
morning uh mr rose i think it's roads

583
00:28:44,070 --> 00:28:42,240
now i'm getting confused but requested

584
00:28:45,029 --> 00:28:44,080
that the negatives be returned to him

585
00:28:46,710 --> 00:28:45,039
yeah

586
00:28:51,269 --> 00:28:46,720
agent

587
00:28:53,590 --> 00:28:51,279
uh blacked out that's weird to me

588
00:28:56,470 --> 00:28:53,600
states that to this request

589
00:28:58,549 --> 00:28:56,480
mr rhodes made no reply

590
00:29:00,789 --> 00:28:58,559
agent brower states that after leaving

591
00:29:02,870 --> 00:29:00,799
mr rhodes he asked if the negatives

592
00:29:04,310 --> 00:29:02,880
would be returned to mr rhodes i'm

593
00:29:07,029 --> 00:29:04,320
getting sorry

594
00:29:09,510 --> 00:29:07,039
and stated that he doubted very much

595
00:29:12,870 --> 00:29:09,520
that they would be returned

596
00:29:15,909 --> 00:29:12,880
uh then advised mr refuge that before he

597
00:29:18,870 --> 00:29:15,919
bauer would accept these negatives that

598
00:29:21,269 --> 00:29:18,880
um rhodes must be advised of mr fugate's

599
00:29:23,830 --> 00:29:21,279
identity and also advised that the

600
00:29:26,789 --> 00:29:23,840
negatives turned over to mr fugate would

601
00:29:28,070 --> 00:29:26,799
not be returned to him

602
00:29:30,070 --> 00:29:28,080
in view of which on the morning of

603
00:29:31,750 --> 00:29:30,080
august 30 47 when

604
00:29:33,510 --> 00:29:31,760
um

605
00:29:35,190 --> 00:29:33,520
mr whoever called the phoenix office to

606
00:29:37,430 --> 00:29:35,200
deliver the negatives they were accepted

607
00:29:39,909 --> 00:29:37,440
only after he was advised that they were

608
00:29:43,669 --> 00:29:39,919
being given to mr fugate representative

609
00:29:46,789 --> 00:29:43,679
the army air force intelligence

610
00:29:49,510 --> 00:29:46,799
army air force intelligence

611
00:29:51,510 --> 00:29:49,520
united states army

612
00:29:55,510 --> 00:29:51,520
and that there was little if any chance

613
00:29:57,110 --> 00:29:55,520
of his getting the negatives back

614
00:29:59,190 --> 00:29:57,120
so he turned the negatives over to this

615
00:30:01,909 --> 00:29:59,200
office with the full understanding that

616
00:30:05,269 --> 00:30:01,919
they were being given to the army

617
00:30:10,710 --> 00:30:05,279
and that he would not get them back

618
00:30:14,470 --> 00:30:12,549
which wound up going

619
00:30:24,630 --> 00:30:14,480
to the dod

620
00:30:29,269 --> 00:30:26,870
so

621
00:30:31,430 --> 00:30:29,279
pretty interesting stuff here

622
00:30:34,310 --> 00:30:31,440
uh and here's more of his testimony

623
00:30:38,950 --> 00:30:36,789
more thorough than what was in the

624
00:30:42,710 --> 00:30:38,960
newspaper which apparently

625
00:30:42,720 --> 00:30:49,430
basically blown out of proportion so

626
00:30:52,310 --> 00:30:51,190
as exhibit 2

627
00:30:54,230 --> 00:30:52,320
um

628
00:30:56,950 --> 00:30:54,240
to the bureau with letter dated august

629
00:31:00,630 --> 00:30:56,960
4th 1947 by the office of assist

630
00:31:02,789 --> 00:31:00,640
assistant chief of staff a2 intelligence

631
00:31:05,430 --> 00:31:02,799
uh hamilton field further described the

632
00:31:06,950 --> 00:31:05,440
direction of the ship by stating that

633
00:31:08,789 --> 00:31:06,960
instead of completing the left-hand

634
00:31:11,110 --> 00:31:08,799
downward spiral the ship banked to the

635
00:31:13,750 --> 00:31:11,120
right and disappeared into the clouds he

636
00:31:19,430 --> 00:31:13,760
stated just as it banked he had snapped

637
00:31:23,669 --> 00:31:22,149
um estimated it to be a thousand two

638
00:31:25,029 --> 00:31:23,679
thousand feet high he further described

639
00:31:26,789 --> 00:31:25,039
the appearance of the ship as closely

640
00:31:28,149 --> 00:31:26,799
resembling a picture which appeared on

641
00:31:31,830 --> 00:31:28,159
the front cover

642
00:31:34,310 --> 00:31:31,840
of the may 47 issue of mechanics

643
00:31:37,190 --> 00:31:34,320
illustrated magazine uh the only

644
00:31:39,190 --> 00:31:37,200
difference noted um by mr rhodes being

645
00:31:41,590 --> 00:31:39,200
that the ship appeared to be

646
00:31:43,750 --> 00:31:41,600
flanked backward so what he's saying is

647
00:31:47,110 --> 00:31:43,760
it looked like the flank pancake the

648
00:31:50,710 --> 00:31:48,870
right

649
00:31:53,909 --> 00:31:50,720
um but then

650
00:32:00,149 --> 00:31:55,350
that

651
00:32:01,909 --> 00:32:00,159
i didn't take robert's comment down here

652
00:32:04,549 --> 00:32:01,919
so um

653
00:32:06,630 --> 00:32:04,559
a flank pancake i put that actual

654
00:32:07,830 --> 00:32:06,640
picture

655
00:32:10,149 --> 00:32:07,840
up

656
00:32:15,029 --> 00:32:10,159
for the cover of this episode so i don't

657
00:32:20,549 --> 00:32:17,269
but it's interesting because it you know

658
00:32:25,269 --> 00:32:20,559
i guess it kind of resembles that

659
00:32:25,279 --> 00:32:30,630
so you can see what it looks like

660
00:32:33,590 --> 00:32:31,990
and

661
00:32:35,269 --> 00:32:33,600
unless you probably already know mostly

662
00:32:36,230 --> 00:32:35,279
already probably know what that looks

663
00:32:37,669 --> 00:32:36,240
like

664
00:32:40,630 --> 00:32:37,679
i can't bring it up now because we're

665
00:32:42,549 --> 00:32:40,640
looking at this document but

666
00:32:44,389 --> 00:32:42,559
so here again we have um

667
00:32:45,430 --> 00:32:44,399
also related that he did not associate

668
00:32:47,590 --> 00:32:45,440
the appearance of the ship with the

669
00:32:49,350 --> 00:32:47,600
numerous reports of flag discs no

670
00:32:50,950 --> 00:32:49,360
related however that after a

671
00:32:52,389 --> 00:32:50,960
three-minute interview with newspaper

672
00:32:55,110 --> 00:32:52,399
reporters the story that appeared in the

673
00:32:56,950 --> 00:32:55,120
local papers was blown up to the extent

674
00:33:00,070 --> 00:32:56,960
that he barely recognized information

675
00:33:04,070 --> 00:33:00,080
furnished by really

676
00:33:08,470 --> 00:33:06,389
i don't think that's the case at all

677
00:33:10,149 --> 00:33:08,480
a little bit more about mr rose he was

678
00:33:12,310 --> 00:33:10,159
employed at the naval ordinance

679
00:33:12,600 --> 00:33:12,320
laboratory washington

680
00:33:14,630 --> 00:33:12,610
um

681
00:33:16,630 --> 00:33:14,640
[Music]

682
00:33:19,509 --> 00:33:16,640
dc during the early part of world war ii

683
00:33:22,389 --> 00:33:19,519
and left there at the beginning of 42

684
00:33:23,750 --> 00:33:22,399
and then he was employed at falcon field

685
00:33:25,990 --> 00:33:23,760
near phoenix

686
00:33:28,310 --> 00:33:26,000
in instrument training aircraft

687
00:33:30,070 --> 00:33:28,320
identification here it is in gunnery

688
00:33:32,950 --> 00:33:30,080
practice

689
00:33:35,029 --> 00:33:32,960
the interesting thing here is he was

690
00:33:36,470 --> 00:33:35,039
employed at falconfield near phoenix

691
00:33:40,310 --> 00:33:36,480
which was leased by the british

692
00:33:43,990 --> 00:33:42,389
um i've been learning a little bit about

693
00:33:46,310 --> 00:33:44,000
the british government and their

694
00:33:48,870 --> 00:33:46,320
training purposes here

695
00:33:50,710 --> 00:33:48,880
um and when i'm ready i will do a

696
00:33:55,990 --> 00:33:50,720
episode on that

697
00:34:01,029 --> 00:33:59,350
and i won aleister crowley actually was

698
00:34:05,590 --> 00:34:01,039
an agent for them

699
00:34:10,869 --> 00:34:08,149
and what they pretty much did was um

700
00:34:13,430 --> 00:34:10,879
alter stories before they got to

701
00:34:15,430 --> 00:34:13,440
um like newspapers and and

702
00:34:19,589 --> 00:34:15,440
radio and stuff um

703
00:34:23,990 --> 00:34:21,030
it's interesting that you think you'd

704
00:34:27,190 --> 00:34:25,589
i wasn't around then

705
00:34:29,030 --> 00:34:27,200
a little bit about its parents kind of

706
00:34:31,829 --> 00:34:29,040
you know who cares boring stuff one's

707
00:34:33,589 --> 00:34:31,839
from russia one's from here

708
00:34:35,669 --> 00:34:33,599
uh more about

709
00:34:37,750 --> 00:34:35,679
the investigations into him this is

710
00:34:39,909 --> 00:34:37,760
author 1949

711
00:34:41,750 --> 00:34:39,919
um this is something from his neighbor

712
00:34:43,909 --> 00:34:41,760
he's an excellent neighbor it's caused

713
00:34:45,990 --> 00:34:43,919
no trouble in the community um subject

714
00:34:47,109 --> 00:34:46,000
emotionally high strung egotistical and

715
00:34:50,389 --> 00:34:47,119
a genius when it comes to the

716
00:34:52,069 --> 00:34:50,399
fundamentals of radio and electronics

717
00:34:54,230 --> 00:34:52,079
interesting because a couple people said

718
00:34:55,990 --> 00:34:54,240
that about him

719
00:34:57,589 --> 00:34:56,000
although

720
00:34:59,270 --> 00:34:57,599
i'll make this available to you by the

721
00:35:00,950 --> 00:34:59,280
way the document so you can look at it

722
00:35:02,470 --> 00:35:00,960
for yourself

723
00:35:04,230 --> 00:35:02,480
so a couple neighbors said that he was

724
00:35:07,430 --> 00:35:04,240
all good good neighbor

725
00:35:08,870 --> 00:35:07,440
and then in there apparently he

726
00:35:12,790 --> 00:35:08,880
uh shoots

727
00:35:14,829 --> 00:35:12,800
uh dogs and cats that get into his yard

728
00:35:17,990 --> 00:35:14,839
um kind of hard to believe

729
00:35:26,230 --> 00:35:18,000
that that would be considered a good

730
00:35:29,750 --> 00:35:27,510
so yeah

731
00:35:32,710 --> 00:35:29,760
so here we go upward into the west and

732
00:35:34,550 --> 00:35:32,720
an angle of 45 degrees

733
00:35:36,550 --> 00:35:34,560
disappearing into the cumulus clouds

734
00:35:38,870 --> 00:35:36,560
which appeared to be at about 5000 feet

735
00:35:40,310 --> 00:35:38,880
at that time

736
00:35:43,430 --> 00:35:40,320
hear a little bit more about the

737
00:35:48,790 --> 00:35:45,430
um and navy's new flapjack opinion

738
00:35:50,950 --> 00:35:48,800
illustrated on the cover of may 47.

739
00:35:52,550 --> 00:35:50,960
uh he later altered his opinion because

740
00:35:54,870 --> 00:35:52,560
the object appeared to have no landing

741
00:35:57,430 --> 00:35:54,880
gears propellers

742
00:36:02,230 --> 00:36:00,390
that um

743
00:36:04,630 --> 00:36:02,240
flapjack um

744
00:36:06,390 --> 00:36:04,640
was out on the east coast i believe in

745
00:36:08,630 --> 00:36:06,400
maybe it was connecticut

746
00:36:18,310 --> 00:36:08,640
um and that's the only place it was at

747
00:36:23,270 --> 00:36:21,190
um another

748
00:36:25,589 --> 00:36:23,280
like one of the most um

749
00:36:28,069 --> 00:36:25,599
interesting things about

750
00:36:29,510 --> 00:36:28,079
this case

751
00:36:31,270 --> 00:36:29,520
i'm just going to keep rolling through

752
00:36:34,790 --> 00:36:31,280
these as i talk

753
00:36:39,430 --> 00:36:34,800
is the kind of connection that was made

754
00:36:42,550 --> 00:36:41,190
kenneth arnold

755
00:36:44,150 --> 00:36:42,560
you know

756
00:36:45,829 --> 00:36:44,160
they say he coined the term flank sauce

757
00:36:46,790 --> 00:36:45,839
or whatever but

758
00:36:48,150 --> 00:36:46,800
um

759
00:36:49,750 --> 00:36:48,160
it's clear that he just really didn't

760
00:36:52,069 --> 00:36:49,760
know what to call it

761
00:36:55,829 --> 00:36:52,079
and the newspapers wound up running with

762
00:36:59,430 --> 00:36:55,839
that and here we are flying saucer

763
00:37:04,950 --> 00:37:02,630
in the arizona republic

764
00:37:06,310 --> 00:37:04,960
of mr rhodes

765
00:37:08,630 --> 00:37:06,320
he pretty much stopped dead in his

766
00:37:13,589 --> 00:37:08,640
tracks and said that's it that's what i

767
00:37:13,599 --> 00:37:19,750
so what kenneth arnold apparently saw

768
00:37:19,760 --> 00:37:26,630
is what mr rhodes photographed

769
00:37:26,640 --> 00:37:30,630
and i find that interesting

770
00:37:35,430 --> 00:37:33,430
this here is just a letterhead from mr

771
00:37:37,910 --> 00:37:35,440
rhodes apparently this probably says

772
00:37:39,990 --> 00:37:37,920
panoramic research laboratory

773
00:37:44,630 --> 00:37:40,000
something chief of staff william rhodes

774
00:37:49,190 --> 00:37:47,510
so there is a lot more here so this is

775
00:37:51,910 --> 00:37:49,200
interesting i'm not really sure what to

776
00:37:56,069 --> 00:37:51,920
make of this

777
00:38:00,390 --> 00:37:58,230
because we're talking about uh holman

778
00:38:02,150 --> 00:38:00,400
air force base

779
00:38:04,470 --> 00:38:02,160
watson laboratories at red bank new

780
00:38:07,030 --> 00:38:04,480
jersey

781
00:38:14,390 --> 00:38:08,710
we're talking about

782
00:38:17,670 --> 00:38:16,630
and i'm not sure

783
00:38:19,990 --> 00:38:17,680
that they

784
00:38:22,710 --> 00:38:20,000
are about this one although they get

785
00:38:27,910 --> 00:38:25,349
this one down here

786
00:38:29,910 --> 00:38:27,920
okay lieutenant james beam offered

787
00:38:32,630 --> 00:38:29,920
loading proceeded to phoenix arizona to

788
00:38:34,790 --> 00:38:32,640
interview mr rhodes follow up on the

789
00:38:36,550 --> 00:38:34,800
report and photograph submitted to

790
00:38:38,150 --> 00:38:36,560
him more months ago

791
00:38:40,630 --> 00:38:38,160
very interesting

792
00:38:41,990 --> 00:38:40,640
i just don't understand why this is such

793
00:38:46,310 --> 00:38:42,000
a big deal to give him his freaking

794
00:38:50,870 --> 00:38:48,630
he appeared he appeared to be completely

795
00:38:55,270 --> 00:38:50,880
sincere and apparently is quite

796
00:39:02,310 --> 00:38:58,630
he was an aircraft recognition

797
00:39:06,310 --> 00:39:02,320
instructor during the last war

798
00:39:10,790 --> 00:39:08,230
um the definitely the object was

799
00:39:12,390 --> 00:39:10,800
definitely not a

800
00:39:14,950 --> 00:39:12,400
object site it definitely was not a

801
00:39:17,910 --> 00:39:14,960
windblown object

802
00:39:21,910 --> 00:39:19,750
hmm

803
00:39:23,750 --> 00:39:21,920
why would they be saying wind blown

804
00:39:25,670 --> 00:39:23,760
object

805
00:39:30,550 --> 00:39:25,680
trying to cast it off as a balloon

806
00:39:34,470 --> 00:39:32,870
because if this paragraph up here is in

807
00:39:37,190 --> 00:39:34,480
regards to that same sighting we have

808
00:39:41,750 --> 00:39:37,200
more witnesses here

809
00:39:45,430 --> 00:39:44,069
i don't think it is

810
00:39:47,030 --> 00:39:45,440
i don't know

811
00:39:48,630 --> 00:39:47,040
mr blake also mentioned having seen a

812
00:39:50,390 --> 00:39:48,640
series of photographs taken by another

813
00:39:52,710 --> 00:39:50,400
civilian in phoenix arizona on

814
00:39:54,390 --> 00:39:52,720
approximately the same day

815
00:39:55,430 --> 00:39:54,400
he promised to investigate this phase

816
00:39:57,109 --> 00:39:55,440
and to forward a set of these

817
00:39:58,710 --> 00:39:57,119
photographs to this headquarters if they

818
00:40:03,829 --> 00:39:58,720
were available

819
00:40:14,309 --> 00:40:10,470
wonder where those are

820
00:40:14,319 --> 00:40:17,030
so

821
00:40:21,430 --> 00:40:18,870
um

822
00:40:24,230 --> 00:40:21,440
we pretty much hit all the hot spots

823
00:40:27,750 --> 00:40:24,240
here

824
00:40:30,309 --> 00:40:27,760
negatives

825
00:40:32,069 --> 00:40:30,319
are not on file in the decorate at a

826
00:40:33,589 --> 00:40:32,079
tick but we already know this at right

827
00:40:34,550 --> 00:40:33,599
patterson air force base they're at the

828
00:40:35,589 --> 00:40:34,560
dod

829
00:40:37,430 --> 00:40:35,599
if it is determined that the

830
00:40:39,990 --> 00:40:37,440
photographic reference and service

831
00:40:43,990 --> 00:40:40,000
division here does not have them it

832
00:40:45,750 --> 00:40:44,000
suggested they do a tracer action

833
00:40:47,910 --> 00:40:45,760
so they really went all out to try and

834
00:40:49,750 --> 00:40:47,920
find these and it turns out they want to

835
00:40:51,190 --> 00:40:49,760
finding them

836
00:40:53,750 --> 00:40:51,200
the dod

837
00:40:56,150 --> 00:40:53,760
in the unknown missiles

838
00:40:58,390 --> 00:40:56,160
folder or whatever

839
00:41:01,670 --> 00:40:58,400
pretty interesting

840
00:41:03,910 --> 00:41:01,680
this talks about um a dr irving langmore

841
00:41:09,589 --> 00:41:03,920
who actually studied the subject

842
00:41:13,990 --> 00:41:11,750
of the prior passage of a thunderstorm

843
00:41:17,190 --> 00:41:14,000
discounted the photographed object as

844
00:41:18,950 --> 00:41:17,200
being merely paper swept by the winds so

845
00:41:24,069 --> 00:41:18,960
they were trying to say this thing was

846
00:41:31,349 --> 00:41:25,589
and apparently that's what kenneth

847
00:41:37,349 --> 00:41:33,750
and we just have more and more

848
00:41:39,829 --> 00:41:37,359
different people investigating this

849
00:41:43,510 --> 00:41:39,839
here we have chief science survey office

850
00:41:43,520 --> 00:41:48,230
this is a little hard to breathe

851
00:41:48,240 --> 00:41:54,710
more about the camera

852
00:41:59,750 --> 00:41:57,510
okay so now we get to kind of a run down

853
00:42:04,950 --> 00:41:59,760
here which is pretty important because

854
00:42:08,550 --> 00:42:06,870
which they thought was pretty important

855
00:42:10,390 --> 00:42:08,560
this case is especially important

856
00:42:12,470 --> 00:42:10,400
because of the photographic evidence and

857
00:42:14,950 --> 00:42:12,480
because of the similarity of these

858
00:42:17,829 --> 00:42:14,960
photographs to the drawings by kenneth

859
00:42:22,630 --> 00:42:17,839
arnold that's who this is right here

860
00:42:27,109 --> 00:42:25,349
these two incidents are separated by

861
00:42:29,030 --> 00:42:27,119
slightly more than two weeks and of

862
00:42:31,109 --> 00:42:29,040
course they occurred in different

863
00:42:33,589 --> 00:42:31,119
localities it is however perhaps more

864
00:42:36,710 --> 00:42:33,599
than coincidence that these two best

865
00:42:39,270 --> 00:42:36,720
attested entirely independent cases

866
00:42:41,270 --> 00:42:39,280
should agree so closely

867
00:42:44,150 --> 00:42:41,280
concerning the shape of the objects and

868
00:42:45,670 --> 00:42:44,160
its maneuverability

869
00:42:48,390 --> 00:42:45,680
present investigator would like to

870
00:42:50,790 --> 00:42:48,400
suggest that this incident number 40

871
00:42:53,270 --> 00:42:50,800
being one of the most crucial

872
00:42:57,270 --> 00:42:53,280
in the history of these objects

873
00:43:01,030 --> 00:42:59,589
the actual camera used by mr rhodes

874
00:43:03,109 --> 00:43:01,040
should be examined and the original

875
00:43:04,790 --> 00:43:03,119
negative is preserved since from the

876
00:43:06,230 --> 00:43:04,800
size of the image on the photograph we

877
00:43:16,390 --> 00:43:06,240
can have an accurate estimate of the

878
00:43:16,400 --> 00:43:18,870
interesting

879
00:43:22,630 --> 00:43:20,870
in parentheses it is unfortunate that a

880
00:43:26,950 --> 00:43:22,640
competent investigator was not

881
00:43:29,030 --> 00:43:26,960
dispatched at once to reenact the crime

882
00:43:31,109 --> 00:43:29,040
with mr rhodes and to obtain sketches of

883
00:43:33,430 --> 00:43:31,119
the trajectory etc

884
00:43:40,630 --> 00:43:33,440
before details faded

885
00:43:40,640 --> 00:43:45,670
interesting

886
00:43:45,680 --> 00:43:50,630
so

887
00:43:53,510 --> 00:43:51,670
and a little bit more about the

888
00:43:55,430 --> 00:43:53,520
photograph it's concluded that images of

889
00:43:57,430 --> 00:43:55,440
true photographic nature and is not due

890
00:43:59,270 --> 00:43:57,440
to imperfections in the emulsion the

891
00:44:00,950 --> 00:43:59,280
lack of development in the section in

892
00:44:03,270 --> 00:44:00,960
question the image exhibits a tail

893
00:44:05,990 --> 00:44:03,280
indicating a proper type of distortion

894
00:44:10,230 --> 00:44:06,000
due to the type of shutter used

895
00:44:13,910 --> 00:44:11,030
pretty

896
00:44:15,750 --> 00:44:13,920
interesting stuff here

897
00:44:17,990 --> 00:44:15,760
um

898
00:44:22,870 --> 00:44:18,000
i'm losing concentration just a little

899
00:44:26,230 --> 00:44:24,790
and then here we go preliminary analysis

900
00:44:30,550 --> 00:44:26,240
of the negative leads me to doubt the

901
00:44:34,060 --> 00:44:32,230
okay john clinton

902
00:44:35,829 --> 00:44:34,070
interesting hey who's john clinton

903
00:44:41,109 --> 00:44:35,839
[Music]

904
00:44:45,190 --> 00:44:44,069
all right so then they gave us steve

905
00:44:47,670 --> 00:44:45,200
photos

906
00:44:51,109 --> 00:44:47,680
pretty much what we've seen

907
00:44:55,270 --> 00:44:51,119
i can show you the better versions of

908
00:44:58,870 --> 00:44:57,510
so this is rupelt who pretty much

909
00:45:00,470 --> 00:44:58,880
says that

910
00:45:01,589 --> 00:45:00,480
this guy

911
00:45:03,510 --> 00:45:01,599
roads

912
00:45:05,190 --> 00:45:03,520
in 1952 right

913
00:45:06,069 --> 00:45:05,200
five years later

914
00:45:12,630 --> 00:45:06,079
is

915
00:45:12,640 --> 00:45:17,430
yeah you should have read what we read

916
00:45:21,510 --> 00:45:19,750
and you know it so if you desire however

917
00:45:23,349 --> 00:45:21,520
the originals were not here so they

918
00:45:26,710 --> 00:45:23,359
didn't have

919
00:45:26,720 --> 00:45:31,430
we already knew that

920
00:45:39,270 --> 00:45:33,510
preparing and submitting form

921
00:45:44,630 --> 00:45:40,950
pretty interesting

922
00:45:44,640 --> 00:45:50,309
worth a look for some investigations

923
00:45:56,230 --> 00:45:54,390
um a bunch of uh repetitive stuff here

924
00:45:57,910 --> 00:45:56,240
all right

925
00:46:03,109 --> 00:45:57,920
i don't know what a picture ceiling

926
00:46:12,550 --> 00:46:05,190
okay

927
00:46:19,270 --> 00:46:16,470
what i want to do now is i'll show you

928
00:46:22,550 --> 00:46:20,870
what i think are a little bit better

929
00:46:24,390 --> 00:46:22,560
better versions of the actual

930
00:46:25,750 --> 00:46:24,400
photographs

931
00:46:28,150 --> 00:46:25,760
thanks for hanging in there with me i

932
00:46:31,109 --> 00:46:28,160
know like as i'm reading this stuff it

933
00:46:32,950 --> 00:46:31,119
can seem at least to me

934
00:46:36,390 --> 00:46:32,960
seems like it'd be like

935
00:46:38,309 --> 00:46:36,400
nails on a chalkboard for some people so

936
00:46:46,470 --> 00:46:38,319
those of you who are here definitely

937
00:46:50,550 --> 00:46:48,630
so

938
00:46:51,910 --> 00:46:50,560
ah let me make this a little bit bigger

939
00:46:53,510 --> 00:46:51,920
here

940
00:46:56,950 --> 00:46:53,520
just zoom out so you can see it all at

941
00:47:00,950 --> 00:46:58,630
so here's uh

942
00:47:01,750 --> 00:47:00,960
the one so they blew these up too quite

943
00:47:03,910 --> 00:47:01,760
a bit

944
00:47:09,270 --> 00:47:03,920
so and you'll see that when we see the

945
00:47:19,750 --> 00:47:11,670
so this is like entirely blown up from

946
00:47:24,069 --> 00:47:22,710
i mean it has pretty sharp

947
00:47:25,190 --> 00:47:24,079
has a pretty sharp outline and

948
00:47:26,390 --> 00:47:25,200
everything

949
00:47:28,790 --> 00:47:26,400
and then for

950
00:47:29,990 --> 00:47:28,800
kenneth arnold to see these in the

951
00:47:31,670 --> 00:47:30,000
newspaper

952
00:47:32,790 --> 00:47:31,680
and be confident that that's what he

953
00:47:35,349 --> 00:47:32,800
actually saw

954
00:47:37,990 --> 00:47:35,359
and then for these ufo investigators to

955
00:47:39,670 --> 00:47:38,000
say that this case is that important

956
00:47:45,349 --> 00:47:39,680
because of that

957
00:47:52,390 --> 00:47:48,870
so now this is i believe

958
00:48:00,309 --> 00:47:52,400
a regular sized version of

959
00:48:00,319 --> 00:48:11,109
so this is a different angle

960
00:48:15,589 --> 00:48:13,910
and we see you yeah yeah i mean you

961
00:48:18,630 --> 00:48:15,599
can't really tell much

962
00:48:21,829 --> 00:48:18,640
for me personally but

963
00:48:30,630 --> 00:48:21,839
um and then this is like the original

964
00:48:37,670 --> 00:48:32,309
which

965
00:48:37,680 --> 00:48:45,750
pretty interesting

966
00:48:50,150 --> 00:48:47,910
that actually looks like a little bit

967
00:48:52,549 --> 00:48:50,160
more like it makes a little bit more

968
00:48:53,990 --> 00:48:52,559
sense to me

969
00:49:00,470 --> 00:48:54,000
than

970
00:49:11,990 --> 00:49:01,750
so

971
00:49:16,790 --> 00:49:13,670
um another

972
00:49:17,990 --> 00:49:16,800
aspect of why this case is

973
00:49:23,109 --> 00:49:18,000
um

974
00:49:29,670 --> 00:49:25,270
and

975
00:49:30,790 --> 00:49:29,680
to show you the flapjack too right i

976
00:49:34,870 --> 00:49:30,800
don't know if you care to see that or

977
00:49:34,880 --> 00:49:39,030
flapjack

978
00:49:42,230 --> 00:49:41,430
trying to go smooth keep this all going

979
00:49:44,870 --> 00:49:42,240
but

980
00:49:46,790 --> 00:49:44,880
there's a lot of searching for the right

981
00:49:48,309 --> 00:49:46,800
files and getting them in the right

982
00:49:53,670 --> 00:49:48,319
place for you so just bear with me

983
00:49:58,790 --> 00:49:56,309
so this is the flapjack that he

984
00:50:00,549 --> 00:49:58,800
initially said it looked like but then

985
00:50:02,069 --> 00:50:00,559
changed his tune and said it didn't have

986
00:50:04,069 --> 00:50:02,079
propellers

987
00:50:06,069 --> 00:50:04,079
uh or an exhaust and he actually said in

988
00:50:07,910 --> 00:50:06,079
those files that it was

989
00:50:10,829 --> 00:50:07,920
um

990
00:50:14,069 --> 00:50:10,839
flying backwards

991
00:50:17,829 --> 00:50:14,079
so wherever this flew this way it was

992
00:50:19,510 --> 00:50:17,839
going the opposite direction so

993
00:50:24,390 --> 00:50:19,520
sometimes i think you can see my cursor

994
00:50:29,030 --> 00:50:27,430
so but it does look kind of similar

995
00:50:32,150 --> 00:50:29,040
but again these were only on the east

996
00:50:40,710 --> 00:50:35,030
and we saw the picture didn't have wings

997
00:50:40,720 --> 00:50:44,069
interesting

998
00:50:47,750 --> 00:50:46,630
so there's that

999
00:50:49,750 --> 00:50:47,760
and

1000
00:50:52,230 --> 00:50:49,760
one more interesting

1001
00:50:55,030 --> 00:50:52,240
thing here

1002
00:50:58,309 --> 00:50:55,040
that i'm going to show you so remember

1003
00:51:03,190 --> 00:51:00,630
mr fournette

1004
00:51:04,870 --> 00:51:03,200
who obviously had something to do with

1005
00:51:09,270 --> 00:51:04,880
these

1006
00:51:09,280 --> 00:51:13,589
and what i wanted to do

1007
00:51:16,549 --> 00:51:15,510
was kind of show why i thought that was

1008
00:51:18,710 --> 00:51:16,559
important

1009
00:51:20,630 --> 00:51:18,720
to kind of sum this stuff up

1010
00:51:23,190 --> 00:51:20,640
the first thing i'll show you is you

1011
00:51:24,630 --> 00:51:23,200
know so some of you may remember not

1012
00:51:27,270 --> 00:51:24,640
remember i know there's a lot of

1013
00:51:28,710 --> 00:51:27,280
information we go over with this stuff

1014
00:51:32,069 --> 00:51:28,720
um

1015
00:51:33,750 --> 00:51:32,079
but a few episodes ago we went over what

1016
00:51:36,549 --> 00:51:33,760
was called the air

1017
00:51:39,109 --> 00:51:36,559
um

1018
00:51:40,870 --> 00:51:39,119
air intelligence digest is what it's

1019
00:51:43,910 --> 00:51:40,880
called right

1020
00:51:46,069 --> 00:51:43,920
and i'm showing this because

1021
00:51:48,069 --> 00:51:46,079
this is what mentioned

1022
00:51:49,910 --> 00:51:48,079
um and this is like a collage from the

1023
00:51:51,349 --> 00:51:49,920
different you know important parts from

1024
00:51:52,710 --> 00:51:51,359
that digest

1025
00:51:54,790 --> 00:51:52,720
you can go back on my website with

1026
00:51:54,950 --> 00:51:54,800
assistant.com watch that episode and you

1027
00:51:56,069 --> 00:51:54,960
can

1028
00:51:57,910 --> 00:51:56,079
[Music]

1029
00:51:59,750 --> 00:51:57,920
take a look at those documents too which

1030
00:52:01,270 --> 00:51:59,760
are available to you for this

1031
00:52:03,510 --> 00:52:01,280
but i'm just clipping this part out

1032
00:52:07,829 --> 00:52:03,520
since it's relative to this case

1033
00:52:12,470 --> 00:52:09,030
right

1034
00:52:15,190 --> 00:52:12,480
and this is august 1952.

1035
00:52:17,589 --> 00:52:15,200
so what rupell just wrote to

1036
00:52:19,829 --> 00:52:17,599
was in 1952.

1037
00:52:23,510 --> 00:52:19,839
so what's the truth right

1038
00:52:25,349 --> 00:52:23,520
so first of all um i put in here

1039
00:52:27,430 --> 00:52:25,359
just the title of what it is eight

1040
00:52:29,430 --> 00:52:27,440
article and then below here in

1041
00:52:31,910 --> 00:52:29,440
parentheses we went over this last time

1042
00:52:34,069 --> 00:52:31,920
what he put in double parentheses was

1043
00:52:36,069 --> 00:52:34,079
suggested to be taken out of this eight

1044
00:52:39,270 --> 00:52:36,079
article so that it could be published

1045
00:52:40,710 --> 00:52:39,280
entirely as declassified

1046
00:52:42,870 --> 00:52:40,720
and they could eventually use it for a

1047
00:52:44,950 --> 00:52:42,880
public press release so

1048
00:52:47,990 --> 00:52:44,960
what's in these double parentheses they

1049
00:52:50,710 --> 00:52:48,000
did not group up apparently

1050
00:52:52,710 --> 00:52:50,720
or someone didn't want this in the

1051
00:52:54,549 --> 00:52:52,720
article

1052
00:52:57,910 --> 00:52:54,559
that's why this is important one of the

1053
00:53:00,710 --> 00:52:57,920
best pictures was taken in 1947 on the

1054
00:53:02,790 --> 00:53:00,720
7th of july william rhodes of phoenix

1055
00:53:04,870 --> 00:53:02,800
arizona saw disc circling his locality

1056
00:53:06,710 --> 00:53:04,880
just at sunset and took two pictures

1057
00:53:08,870 --> 00:53:06,720
these pictures show a dislike object

1058
00:53:10,870 --> 00:53:08,880
with a round front and square tail have

1059
00:53:12,790 --> 00:53:10,880
been examined by experts who state that

1060
00:53:15,030 --> 00:53:12,800
they are true photographic images and do

1061
00:53:21,190 --> 00:53:15,040
not appear to be caused by dirty lenses

1062
00:53:25,990 --> 00:53:23,589
alright

1063
00:53:29,589 --> 00:53:26,000
so this is the air force

1064
00:53:31,109 --> 00:53:29,599
after everything we went through

1065
00:53:32,870 --> 00:53:31,119
declassified information what they

1066
00:53:35,510 --> 00:53:32,880
didn't want anyone to know classified

1067
00:53:38,390 --> 00:53:35,520
information in these double parentheses

1068
00:53:40,950 --> 00:53:38,400
right here is that that picture

1069
00:53:44,950 --> 00:53:40,960
was the one of the best pictures taken

1070
00:53:49,589 --> 00:53:46,790
and

1071
00:53:59,990 --> 00:53:49,599
it was examined by experts

1072
00:54:03,750 --> 00:54:01,349
so

1073
00:54:07,109 --> 00:54:05,030
the end

1074
00:54:08,870 --> 00:54:07,119
of this case

1075
00:54:14,309 --> 00:54:08,880
i mean that's

1076
00:54:18,150 --> 00:54:15,990
the other thing i wanted to show is

1077
00:54:19,990 --> 00:54:18,160
going to

1078
00:54:26,230 --> 00:54:20,000
uh mr

1079
00:54:26,240 --> 00:54:29,670
mr dewey fournette

1080
00:54:33,190 --> 00:54:31,430
and again like keep in mind too like

1081
00:54:34,870 --> 00:54:33,200
what we're looking at are reproductions

1082
00:54:36,309 --> 00:54:34,880
of reproductions downloaded from the

1083
00:54:38,230 --> 00:54:36,319
internet so

1084
00:54:39,910 --> 00:54:38,240
i really wish we could see the

1085
00:54:41,750 --> 00:54:39,920
unidentified missile

1086
00:54:45,510 --> 00:54:41,760
that was at the dod

1087
00:54:49,109 --> 00:54:46,870
because we probably see a little bit

1088
00:54:51,109 --> 00:54:49,119
more detail maybe not a lot more but a

1089
00:54:52,789 --> 00:54:51,119
little bit

1090
00:54:55,030 --> 00:54:52,799
so another thing

1091
00:54:56,390 --> 00:54:55,040
that we're all familiar with

1092
00:55:02,150 --> 00:54:56,400
is the

1093
00:55:04,470 --> 00:55:02,160
robertson panel conducted in 1953.

1094
00:55:07,030 --> 00:55:04,480
robertson panel um

1095
00:55:13,030 --> 00:55:07,040
was basically put together by the

1096
00:55:16,630 --> 00:55:13,910
and

1097
00:55:18,950 --> 00:55:16,640
of that

1098
00:55:20,069 --> 00:55:18,960
was blue book

1099
00:55:22,390 --> 00:55:20,079
in a

1100
00:55:25,030 --> 00:55:22,400
not my words in their words a debunking

1101
00:55:26,950 --> 00:55:25,040
campaign that should last for a year

1102
00:55:29,109 --> 00:55:26,960
a year and a half

1103
00:55:31,030 --> 00:55:29,119
using television radio where they take

1104
00:55:34,470 --> 00:55:31,040
the most famous cases

1105
00:55:40,470 --> 00:55:34,480
and forcefully debunk them

1106
00:55:44,710 --> 00:55:42,630
you know

1107
00:55:47,190 --> 00:55:44,720
so

1108
00:55:48,950 --> 00:55:47,200
this last piece

1109
00:55:51,430 --> 00:55:48,960
is from that

1110
00:55:54,069 --> 00:55:51,440
from a meeting of the robertson panel

1111
00:55:55,750 --> 00:55:54,079
where dewey fournette

1112
00:55:59,190 --> 00:55:55,760
actually gave his take into the

1113
00:56:00,950 --> 00:55:59,200
presentation there's not much on it

1114
00:56:04,470 --> 00:56:00,960
but this part is pretty important i

1115
00:56:07,109 --> 00:56:04,480
think because keep in mind fournette was

1116
00:56:08,390 --> 00:56:07,119
in the seventh forty seven case

1117
00:56:10,710 --> 00:56:08,400
they said that was one of the best

1118
00:56:12,549 --> 00:56:10,720
photographs of port a7 dewey fournette

1119
00:56:13,589 --> 00:56:12,559
gives a presentation to this robertson

1120
00:56:22,549 --> 00:56:13,599
panel

1121
00:56:25,430 --> 00:56:24,069
so this blacked out part is dewey

1122
00:56:27,670 --> 00:56:25,440
fournette

1123
00:56:29,829 --> 00:56:27,680
in his presentation showed how he had

1124
00:56:32,030 --> 00:56:29,839
eliminated each of the known improbable

1125
00:56:33,990 --> 00:56:32,040
causes of sightings leaving him

1126
00:56:36,630 --> 00:56:34,000
extraterrestrial as the only one

1127
00:56:40,390 --> 00:56:36,640
remaining in many cases burnett's

1128
00:56:43,430 --> 00:56:40,400
background as an aeronautical engineer

1129
00:56:46,150 --> 00:56:43,440
and technical intelligence officer for

1130
00:56:48,230 --> 00:56:46,160
project officer blue book for 15 months

1131
00:56:50,230 --> 00:56:48,240
could not be slighted however the panel

1132
00:56:52,789 --> 00:56:50,240
could not accept any of these cases

1133
00:56:58,549 --> 00:56:52,799
cited by him because they were raw

1134
00:57:06,549 --> 00:57:00,150
so

1135
00:57:06,559 --> 00:57:09,589
um

1136
00:57:15,510 --> 00:57:12,390
yeah with that being said we hit the

1137
00:57:19,190 --> 00:57:15,520
hour mark pretty on the nose um robert i

1138
00:57:21,910 --> 00:57:19,200
can bring up your report if you'd like

1139
00:57:24,710 --> 00:57:21,920
um i prefer if you don't say you know

1140
00:57:27,030 --> 00:57:24,720
whatever you're doing is better

1141
00:57:30,950 --> 00:57:27,040
i mean it's just different

1142
00:57:35,190 --> 00:57:32,630
so robert's uh

1143
00:57:37,589 --> 00:57:35,200
gopher in the chat you guys know him

1144
00:57:39,349 --> 00:57:37,599
um he does i mean he's done way more

1145
00:57:43,270 --> 00:57:39,359
research on this stuff

1146
00:57:43,280 --> 00:57:48,789
most definitely

1147
00:57:52,549 --> 00:57:50,069
but um

1148
00:57:54,870 --> 00:57:52,559
you know sometimes it can get a little

1149
00:57:57,750 --> 00:57:54,880
maybe too detailed for

1150
00:58:00,870 --> 00:57:57,760
the lay person even myself

1151
00:58:05,589 --> 00:58:02,549
but i'm going to put it up here and you

1152
00:58:14,150 --> 00:58:09,589
because it definitely is good

1153
00:58:14,160 --> 00:58:18,549
uh reap so

1154
00:58:21,670 --> 00:58:20,470
this is all pretty good but i'm kind of

1155
00:58:26,470 --> 00:58:21,680
re i'm

1156
00:58:31,430 --> 00:58:28,549
so here we go rubel reached out to his

1157
00:58:33,349 --> 00:58:31,440
bosses at the pentagon um

1158
00:58:35,589 --> 00:58:33,359
citing the fact that if mr rhodes did

1159
00:58:37,750 --> 00:58:35,599
not get his pictures and negatives back

1160
00:58:40,470 --> 00:58:37,760
if he could it could look like and this

1161
00:58:42,390 --> 00:58:40,480
is he's correct this is in the the files

1162
00:58:43,990 --> 00:58:42,400
we were looking at too

1163
00:58:46,069 --> 00:58:44,000
um i read that

1164
00:58:48,710 --> 00:58:46,079
we're just going through a lot there so

1165
00:58:50,390 --> 00:58:48,720
i missed telling you guys that part

1166
00:58:51,990 --> 00:58:50,400
um it could look like the air force was

1167
00:58:53,750 --> 00:58:52,000
involved in covering up or hiding

1168
00:58:55,829 --> 00:58:53,760
information about the flying discs he

1169
00:58:57,430 --> 00:58:55,839
asked if there was anybody in the

1170
00:58:59,750 --> 00:58:57,440
intelligence community that had the

1171
00:59:02,150 --> 00:58:59,760
originals the assistant chief of staff

1172
00:59:05,430 --> 00:59:02,160
intelligence 4th air force 80 west

1173
00:59:08,309 --> 00:59:05,440
contacted rupaul remember who is a part

1174
00:59:10,069 --> 00:59:08,319
of that that was that fugate guy

1175
00:59:11,829 --> 00:59:10,079
oh yes they had all the information

1176
00:59:13,670 --> 00:59:11,839
there not only that but they made high

1177
00:59:15,589 --> 00:59:13,680
quality blokes of the originals and sent

1178
00:59:17,829 --> 00:59:15,599
roop out those with the originals and

1179
00:59:19,829 --> 00:59:17,839
the negatives and their analysis this

1180
00:59:21,349 --> 00:59:19,839
was apparent shock to rupel to top it

1181
00:59:23,349 --> 00:59:21,359
off making it even worse the blue book

1182
00:59:25,190 --> 00:59:23,359
folks had been under the impression that

1183
00:59:26,150 --> 00:59:25,200
these photographs have been proven to be

1184
00:59:28,630 --> 00:59:26,160
fakes

1185
00:59:30,470 --> 00:59:28,640
not so said afcin they considered them

1186
00:59:31,990 --> 00:59:30,480
to be genuine photographs of flying disc

1187
00:59:34,309 --> 00:59:32,000
and describe the two photographs in

1188
00:59:36,950 --> 00:59:34,319
detail regarding at which position the

1189
00:59:38,950 --> 00:59:36,960
craft was when it left

1190
00:59:40,870 --> 00:59:38,960
i might have missed that stuff in these

1191
00:59:42,510 --> 00:59:40,880
documents they might be there but i just

1192
00:59:43,990 --> 00:59:42,520
might have missed them

1193
00:59:47,030 --> 00:59:44,000
[Music]

1194
00:59:48,630 --> 00:59:47,040
or maybe that was from his book possibly

1195
00:59:51,910 --> 00:59:48,640
i don't know either way

1196
01:00:05,990 --> 00:59:54,470
very interesting

1197
01:00:08,549 --> 01:00:06,000
maybe if robert doesn't mind i'll

1198
01:00:12,230 --> 01:00:08,559
download that and put it in the packet i

1199
01:00:17,750 --> 01:00:15,829
for um this episode

1200
01:00:20,069 --> 01:00:17,760
so

1201
01:00:21,109 --> 01:00:20,079
we'll keep doing that

1202
01:00:23,270 --> 01:00:21,119
um

1203
01:00:25,510 --> 01:00:23,280
yeah i appreciate it if you guys got any

1204
01:00:28,069 --> 01:00:25,520
questions let me know i can try to give

1205
01:00:29,589 --> 01:00:28,079
it a shot i appreciate that bob i'm not

1206
01:00:32,870 --> 01:00:29,599
forgetting that either

1207
01:00:34,230 --> 01:00:32,880
working on a couple cool things for that

1208
01:00:35,670 --> 01:00:34,240
um

1209
01:00:38,150 --> 01:00:35,680
the nice thing about

1210
01:00:40,870 --> 01:00:38,160
you know this show is

1211
01:00:45,589 --> 01:00:43,510
it kind of lets me

1212
01:00:47,030 --> 01:00:45,599
have an outlet for like what i you know

1213
01:00:49,430 --> 01:00:47,040
what i'm looking at what i'm studying

1214
01:00:52,549 --> 01:00:49,440
and i get to you know talk about it

1215
01:00:55,430 --> 01:00:52,559
it's only an hour or so you know

1216
01:00:58,549 --> 01:00:55,440
the rest of the day

1217
01:01:01,910 --> 01:00:58,559
you know i'm working

1218
01:01:03,829 --> 01:01:01,920
at the company um that i i work on

1219
01:01:07,349 --> 01:01:03,839
and play music

1220
01:01:10,390 --> 01:01:07,359
and i play chess play a lot of chess

1221
01:01:11,829 --> 01:01:10,400
love playing chess and

1222
01:01:14,549 --> 01:01:11,839
then i look at these documents in the

1223
01:01:17,910 --> 01:01:14,559
meantime i've looked at a lot now

1224
01:01:20,390 --> 01:01:17,920
to the point of where it's more

1225
01:01:21,829 --> 01:01:20,400
um trying to figure out what i want to

1226
01:01:24,390 --> 01:01:21,839
talk about

1227
01:01:26,630 --> 01:01:24,400
you know because there's so much

1228
01:01:29,349 --> 01:01:26,640
there's so much old stuff

1229
01:01:30,230 --> 01:01:29,359
that it's almost endless

1230
01:01:32,069 --> 01:01:30,240
and

1231
01:01:34,870 --> 01:01:32,079
you know going over all these individual

1232
01:01:35,750 --> 01:01:34,880
cases is exhausting

1233
01:01:38,789 --> 01:01:35,760
here

1234
01:01:40,630 --> 01:01:38,799
so i'm going to be more selective

1235
01:01:42,710 --> 01:01:40,640
with the ones i do talk about here and

1236
01:01:44,950 --> 01:01:42,720
i'll be kind of listed as these special

1237
01:01:46,470 --> 01:01:44,960
ones you know

1238
01:01:48,789 --> 01:01:46,480
and

1239
01:01:52,069 --> 01:01:48,799
otherwise the episodes will be like they

1240
01:01:53,270 --> 01:01:52,079
have been which is a little bit of news

1241
01:01:57,829 --> 01:01:53,280
some

1242
01:01:59,109 --> 01:01:57,839
videos

1243
01:02:00,710 --> 01:01:59,119
and these

1244
01:02:02,150 --> 01:02:00,720
will be more like kind of special

1245
01:02:05,029 --> 01:02:02,160
episodes

1246
01:02:08,390 --> 01:02:05,039
because it's a lot we talked and read

1247
01:02:09,829 --> 01:02:08,400
about this case for an hour

1248
01:02:12,950 --> 01:02:09,839
you know and there's still things i'm

1249
01:02:15,349 --> 01:02:12,960
sure that we didn't hit

1250
01:02:17,349 --> 01:02:15,359
so there was recently um chad shaw did

1251
01:02:19,029 --> 01:02:17,359
an article for uh the debrief on the

1252
01:02:21,029 --> 01:02:19,039
mantel case

1253
01:02:24,390 --> 01:02:21,039
and graeme rendell did a great job with

1254
01:02:26,150 --> 01:02:24,400
the mantel case on his uh a podcast with

1255
01:02:29,190 --> 01:02:26,160
dave

1256
01:02:30,630 --> 01:02:29,200
from anomalous pod

1257
01:02:32,230 --> 01:02:30,640
and

1258
01:02:35,510 --> 01:02:32,240
you know there's stuff that's just

1259
01:02:37,430 --> 01:02:35,520
missed because it's so

1260
01:02:40,390 --> 01:02:37,440
that's case especially it's just so

1261
01:02:44,950 --> 01:02:40,400
messy and complicated and complex

1262
01:02:48,789 --> 01:02:44,960
but like you need so much time to

1263
01:02:52,230 --> 01:02:48,799
you know talk about every detail

1264
01:02:54,150 --> 01:02:52,240
that's that's involved in these which

1265
01:02:55,750 --> 01:02:54,160
sometimes is a lot

1266
01:02:57,190 --> 01:02:55,760
you know

1267
01:02:59,990 --> 01:02:57,200
in that mental case there's so much

1268
01:03:01,829 --> 01:03:00,000
going on there and like to me

1269
01:03:04,390 --> 01:03:01,839
one of the best parts about that case or

1270
01:03:09,589 --> 01:03:04,400
most interesting is you know how morning

1271
01:03:14,950 --> 01:03:10,710
um

1272
01:03:16,870 --> 01:03:14,960
much attention as i should in a normal

1273
01:03:18,950 --> 01:03:16,880
episode but you know news at the top of

1274
01:03:19,750 --> 01:03:18,960
the hour or whatever but uh gilderbrand

1275
01:03:22,549 --> 01:03:19,760
uh

1276
01:03:25,029 --> 01:03:22,559
you know was was pretty

1277
01:03:28,150 --> 01:03:25,039
senator gillibrand was pretty strong on

1278
01:03:30,710 --> 01:03:28,160
um a confirmation hearing today

1279
01:03:32,390 --> 01:03:30,720
asking the person

1280
01:03:36,069 --> 01:03:32,400
uh i think it was department of homeland

1281
01:03:38,870 --> 01:03:37,349
um

1282
01:03:40,549 --> 01:03:38,880
you know making sure that they look into

1283
01:03:42,710 --> 01:03:40,559
this uap thing

1284
01:03:44,789 --> 01:03:42,720
and he said he wasn't familiar with it

1285
01:03:46,630 --> 01:03:44,799
so she she said

1286
01:03:48,630 --> 01:03:46,640
um well can you make yourself familiar

1287
01:03:49,670 --> 01:03:48,640
with it and respond in written answers

1288
01:03:52,549 --> 01:03:49,680
please

1289
01:03:54,150 --> 01:03:52,559
and he was like oh yeah sure

1290
01:03:56,549 --> 01:03:54,160
so you can check out that clip i shared

1291
01:03:59,750 --> 01:03:56,559
it on my twitter um

1292
01:04:01,029 --> 01:03:59,760
pretty good stuff pretty good stuff

1293
01:04:03,510 --> 01:04:01,039
so

1294
01:04:05,589 --> 01:04:03,520
check out fran labs yeah friend labs is

1295
01:04:06,789 --> 01:04:05,599
pretty great i like brand labs i would

1296
01:04:12,470 --> 01:04:06,799
like to

1297
01:04:20,950 --> 01:04:17,270
so i hope that you had a great time

1298
01:04:24,069 --> 01:04:20,960
and enjoyed the episode

1299
01:04:26,470 --> 01:04:24,079
and i'll be back as soon as

1300
01:04:28,870 --> 01:04:26,480
i have something to talk about whether

1301
01:04:29,910 --> 01:04:28,880
it's news or an exciting old case

1302
01:04:31,020 --> 01:04:29,920
actually i already know what i'm going

1303
01:04:33,109 --> 01:04:31,030
to talk about next

1304
01:04:34,150 --> 01:04:33,119
[Laughter]

1305
01:04:35,670 --> 01:04:34,160
um

1306
01:04:37,750 --> 01:04:35,680
in lieu of

1307
01:04:39,750 --> 01:04:37,760
you know news to talk about it's called

1308
01:04:43,829 --> 01:04:39,760
um

1309
01:04:48,069 --> 01:04:46,150
which is very interesting

1310
01:04:50,309 --> 01:04:48,079
so i posted a little bit about that on

1311
01:04:52,150 --> 01:04:50,319
my twitter a couple documents about it

1312
01:04:55,670 --> 01:04:52,160
space track

1313
01:04:55,680 --> 01:05:00,630
it was a tracking detection system

1314
01:05:05,349 --> 01:05:01,990
you know

1315
01:05:08,549 --> 01:05:05,359
um and it's all over

1316
01:05:11,029 --> 01:05:08,559
all over blue book space track cosmetic

1317
01:05:13,430 --> 01:05:11,039
pass robert always says when he sees it

1318
01:05:15,750 --> 01:05:13,440
in moon dust

1319
01:05:20,390 --> 01:05:15,760
all up in blue books ass

1320
01:05:27,430 --> 01:05:22,309
so you know if we're sitting here like

1321
01:05:30,470 --> 01:05:29,190
[\h__\h]

1322
01:05:31,829 --> 01:05:30,480
i don't believe that for a second when

1323
01:05:33,910 --> 01:05:31,839
you look at something like space track

1324
01:05:35,510 --> 01:05:33,920
and project century robert i'll send you

1325
01:05:37,270 --> 01:05:35,520
some documents i found some good ones on

1326
01:05:38,069 --> 01:05:37,280
project sentry

1327
01:05:38,870 --> 01:05:38,079
so

1328
01:05:40,470 --> 01:05:38,880
um

1329
01:05:43,109 --> 01:05:40,480
it's good stuff

1330
01:05:45,910 --> 01:05:43,119
so anyways y'all i appreciate your time

1331
01:05:47,109 --> 01:05:45,920
make sure to hit the thumbs up button

1332
01:05:49,430 --> 01:05:47,119
that helps

1333
01:05:51,190 --> 01:05:49,440
and you know share this on your socials

1334
01:05:52,230 --> 01:05:51,200
if you like it enough subscribe if you

1335
01:05:54,470 --> 01:05:52,240
haven't

1336
01:05:57,190 --> 01:05:54,480
um i really appreciate

1337
01:06:00,630 --> 01:05:57,200
um you know your interest and hanging

1338
01:06:02,470 --> 01:06:00,640
out and being pals together

1339
01:06:05,670 --> 01:06:02,480
so i'll be back again like i said as

1340
01:06:06,950 --> 01:06:05,680
soon as i can

1341
01:06:08,470 --> 01:06:06,960
we'll see

1342
01:06:09,750 --> 01:06:08,480
we don't have a guest lined up for

1343
01:06:12,230 --> 01:06:09,760
tomorrow

1344
01:06:14,630 --> 01:06:12,240
uh josh um

1345
01:06:15,349 --> 01:06:14,640
i'm just j sorry

1346
01:06:19,349 --> 01:06:15,359
j

1347
01:06:21,910 --> 01:06:19,359
yeah if that's the case we'll see what

1348
01:06:25,029 --> 01:06:23,430
maybe i'll do the space track thing

1349
01:06:27,430 --> 01:06:25,039
tomorrow i don't know and i also wanted

1350
01:06:29,349 --> 01:06:27,440
to do something on this captain trippy

1351
01:06:34,390 --> 01:06:29,359
it was a very interesting character he

1352
01:06:40,789 --> 01:06:36,309
showed him lsd

1353
01:06:46,230 --> 01:06:43,029
hard to believe i know but

1354
01:06:48,150 --> 01:06:46,240
it's very interesting story

1355
01:06:59,570 --> 01:06:48,160
at the least so

1356
01:06:59,580 --> 01:07:33,829
[Music]

1357
01:07:33,839 --> 01:07:54,710
so